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Michael Harari The Hatchery Team Liquid 248	Posted - 2012.08.20 12:20:00 - [1] - Quote Honestly, what role are these going to fill? Other than theme based fleets, Im not really sure where they will fit. Their range is a bit short for "actual" fleets, and they seem incredibly overpowered for people using them to dualbox pve, or to camp a frigate plex.
Michael Harari The Hatchery Team Liquid 248	Posted - 2012.08.20 12:26:00 - [2] - Quote I appreciate that they are slow and fragile but 1) With the cost of small reps, I dont think its reasonable to expect a t2 fit - deadspace reps will be the norm. 2) Logi dont get +50% rep power, these do. 3) For PvE, the tank and speed on these is meaningless 4) For camping a plex, you can have this orbit 30km away while your main sits on the warpin
Michael Harari The Hatchery Team Liquid 248	Posted - 2012.08.20 12:32:00 - [3] - Quote Also these ships are not slow - they have the same base speed as hulls such as the rifter.
Michael Harari The Hatchery Team Liquid 248	Posted - 2012.08.20 12:34:00 - [4] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Michael Harari wrote: 4) For camping a plex, you can have this orbit 30km away while your main sits on the warpin Indeed, but minor plex camps are already so powerful that I think the solution lies with giving people other plexes to hit so that we keep gangs moving. Im talking more about the 2/10 static plexes, rather than FW plexes.
Michael Harari The Hatchery Team Liquid 248	Posted - 2012.08.20 12:40:00 - [5] - Quote A merlin with one of these repping it gets nearly a 300 dps tank. That is nearly unbreakable in a 1v1 situation with another frigate, even a gank fitted enyo. Edit: "oh, so just go kill the logi frigate" - these frigs are faster than assault frigates, gl with catching them while scrammed and webbed.
Michael Harari The Hatchery Team Liquid 251	Posted - 2012.08.20 13:42:00 - [6] - Quote BBQ FTW wrote: excellent, clearly the game needs more piloting-independent methods of providing damage mitigation good job ccp Orbit, f1 f2 f3 is super hard
Michael Harari The Hatchery Team Liquid 251	Posted - 2012.08.20 13:53:00 - [7] - Quote how does this not make solo pvp exponentially harder?
Michael Harari The Hatchery Team Liquid 252	Posted - 2012.08.20 14:07:00 - [8] - Quote I fear it makes soloing impossible. killing frig sized targets can be extremely hard. This forces you to kill them first, while they are tanking hundreds or thousands of applied dps
Michael Harari The Hatchery Team Liquid 252	Posted - 2012.08.20 14:15:00 - [9] - Quote Force multipliers as strong as logi should not be on throwaway disposable hulls
Michael Harari The Hatchery Team Liquid 252	Posted - 2012.08.20 14:21:00 - [10] - Quote aoeu Itonula wrote: Michael Harari wrote: Force multipliers as strong as logi should not be on throwaway disposable hulls You mean like EAFs? Let's be frank here, with the cost of a full t2/deadspace fit, the difference between a fully fit t1 frig and fully fit t2 frig is negligible. unlike eaf ewar remote reps stack infinitely. There is no reason to not spam these ships and b put every single new player in one

Michael Harari The Hatchery Team Liquid 254	Posted - 2012.08.20 14:26:00 - [11] - Quote Basically having super low sig, low skill requirement, super cheap logi is very bad for the game. They scale without stacking penalty and work well even with poor skills. The benefit they give is out of proportion to both their in game cost and the player skill required to use them. Fighting them requires disproportionate effort, particularly if they are massed (which they will be). I support your other changes fozzie, but this is a bad, bad idea. An SFI, a cruiser designed from the ground up to be death to frigates would be unable to fight 2 probes and a merlin. A vagabond or cynabal, also designed as frigate killers would be similarly useless. A dual web autocannon hurricane would at best be able to escape from them with its neuts, and would be unable to break the tanks. This gives a LARGE advantage for having SMALL advantage in numbers, and the nature of the advantage is one you cannot counter with piloting skill, but only with your own blob with ecm or high alpha anti frigate ships.
Michael Harari The Hatchery Team Liquid 258	Posted - 2012.08.20 15:08:00 - [12] - Quote Manar Detri wrote: Michael Harari wrote: A merlin with one of these repping it gets nearly a 300 dps tank. That is breakable with 2 assault frigs no prob, usually an assault frig with no damage mods does 170-200 dps, should work nice. Edit: "oh, so just go kill the logi frigate" - indeed, this is a good advice, one af keeps the other ship pinned down while the other one mwd's to the logig frig. Your example is horrible. Here i fixed it for you. Oh yeah just to make sure you understand, my ruppie with scimi support will kill your t2 cruiser np. Bullshit. a vaga can engage outside scram range and can then just chase down the scimi, and can probably just break your reps anyway. And a cynabal can just dual prop around with med ecm drones on the scimi
Michael Harari The Hatchery Team Liquid 262	Posted - 2012.08.20 18:58:00 - [13] - Quote Sard Caid wrote: Sounds solid. Seriously Sard? This change fucks you more than anyone. How well can your raven kill a frigate, let alone 2 frigates with staggered small reps on each other?
Michael Harari The Hatchery Team Liquid 263	Posted - 2012.08.20 20:34:00 - [14] - Quote Zed Jackelope wrote: Michael Harari wrote: A merlin with one of these repping it gets nearly a 300 dps tank. That is nearly unbreakable in a 1v1 situation with another frigate, even a gank fitted enyo. Edit: "oh, so just go kill the logi frigate" - these frigs are faster than assault frigates, gl with catching them while scrammed and webbed. .... two things, no three first, eve isn't balanced around 1v1 second, that's not a 1v1 scenario third, biomass yourself /ingame So your opinion is that 2 poorly skilled tech 1 frigates should be able to easily kill without micromanaging modules, manual piloting or special tactics, a maxed out perfectly flown tech 2 frigate?

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